Reporter: Natalia Viana
"It leaked and there were rats. For me it's great here."
[Where did you live?]
I lived in the warehouse, in 700.
[How long did you live there for?]
More than 30 years.
[How did you find out they wanted to demolish the houses?]
Creuza: They went there and spoke to us.
Her mother: They said they were going to knock it down and put up a house for us. They were building a new line there and said they were going to have to take all of us out.
Yes, I think that’s it. We ended up on social rent. Then one day it wasn’t enough, we had to find a way. It was just me and her.
Mother: So they arranged this apartment for us here. There, to wash your clothes it was good, to do a lot of things it was great. Here, no. Here you aren’t allowed to put your clothes anywhere. For me, it’s no good.
[Can you explain to us what this letter is you are talking about?]
I don’t know exactly. I know they are charging us for the apartment.
[Do you know how much?]
[Who is asking for that?]
They say it is the Banco do Brasil, don’t they. But it was the City Hall who took us out of there. I know I went to City Hall, signed a piece of paper…
[You don’t know how to read. How did you know what was written on the piece of paper?]
The man said it was our contract, that afterwards we could come and get the document, as the house was ours.
Mother: Have you already delivered the documents?
Mother: You can see, if you don’t know how to read and write, it’s the worst thing, the worst thing…
[Who lived with you in Ipadu?]
It was me and my husband, but my husband died. My mother shared the house with us.
[How many children did you have who lived with you?]
Five. And there is one other too, my little son who lives with my mother. And yet another was born, my grandson.
[The children there were in school? And are they still, at the same school?]
They were in school and they still are, at the same school. There is just one who moved.
[Do you miss where you used to live?]
Ah, more or less.
Mother: I do. Because I made a lot of friends when I moved there, you know? I made friends, all good people.
[Do you like this house?]
[Do you think it’s better than where you lived before?]
It is, a thousand times. Because that house the boy put up quickly, any old way. It had leaks, mice…. there was sewage in front of our house. It got blocked up, you know? To take the kids to school, I had to hold them in my arms. For me it’s great here.
[What did they say to you when they knocked your house down? What did City Hall promise?]
They said we would get an apartment.
[Did you see them knock the apartment down? How did you feel?]
I saw it. I cried a lot.
[Was it traumatic to leave your house? Was it very bad?]
It was, it was horrible.
Ah, I don’t know. Because we had lived there for a long time.
[And what are the residents doing? There are a lot of residents in this situation, are they doing anything about it?]
Mother: They are waiting…
Creuza? No one has said anything to me. It’s me who goes and talks to the younger ones, because they are afraid. If we get an order of eviction, where are we going to go? With nowhere to live?
Mother: They say an eviction order is going to arrive…
Creuza: Everyone is saying an eviction order will arrive. And what then?
Rua Ipadu, 700, Curicica
Now living in
Minha Casa Minha Vida Colonia Juliano Moreira